Talk:Farmer Giles of Ham

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How do you pronounce "Giles"? -- 18:52, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The usual way, as far as I know. --Paul A 07:06, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think it's pronounced with a hard G, as in "Git." Das Baz, aka Erudil 16:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Somebody add a blurb about tales from the perilous realm, that is where most people will encounter this story.

Are we sure that this story was written in '47? The Greenwood Biography on Tolkien seems to suggest that he submitted "Farmer Giles of Ham" to Allen & Unwin in '37 or '38, but that they passed on it then because it did not include Hobbits.


I think that in Latin, "Dives" is (or was) pronounced Deewess. Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of modifying the description of Chrysophylax Dives as "not malicious". It was clear from the text that he was quite malignant when given the opportunity to do so (I do not have a copy open for reference, however a recitation of the former occupations of some of his more recent meals is given.) I think the intention of the original author of this page was probably to indicate that he was manageable, and certainly less malign that Smaug or the dragons from the Legendarium cycle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Other books[edit]

I first met this story in 'the adventures of tom bombadil', should this be mentioned?

Giles's Latin name[edit]

Glossing Giles's Latin name as "Aegis'd Bronze-beard Giles Farmer from Ham" misleadingly implies that the name Giles derives from Julius, when in fact it is the English form of Aegidius (see Saint Giles). —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: AryKun (talk · contribs) 11:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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  • Have performed a minor copy-edit.
    • Noted.
  • The plot summary sounds like a blurb from the back cover of the book, and doesn't actually describe what happens in the book. Needs to be rewritten.
    • Rewritten.
  • "a don he knew" Link or gloss for don?
    • Yet to be addressed.
      • Glossed.
  • "doing execution" Never seen anyone use this phrase, reword.
    • It's a direct quotation from the Oxford English Dictionary, via Tolkien himself, and it's part of the satirised wording, so it's required as it is.
      • But what it is supposed to mean is unclear; does it mean executing someone or simply the gun working? Add a gloss in square brackets.
        • Gloss added; to answer your question, presumably both, since that's what guns do, after all.
  • I'm not quite sure how the blunderbuss philology joke works: is it because the blunderbuss in the story is nothing like an actual blunderbuss?
    • The first paragraph tells what the Oxford English Dictionary said. The second paragraph quotes Tolkien's account in Farmer Giles of Ham, which visibly, and in the scholar Tom Shippey's opinion, satirises the OED definition.
  • Images are properly used and licensed.
    • Noted.
  • Since Mythlore only became peer-reviewed in 1999, are the earlier issues RS?
    • It was always carefully written, with many knowledgeable readers on the lookout for any inaccuracies.
  • The rest of the references are reliable and properly formatted.
    • Noted.
  • Spot-checks:
    • Walker, R. C. (1984). "The Little Kingdom: Some Considerations and a Map". Mythlore.
    • Hyde, Paul Nolan (1987). "J.R.R. Tolkien: Creative Uses of the Oxford English Dictionary". Mythlore.
    • Garth, John (24 June 2020). "Looking for Middle-Earth? Go to the Middle of England". Literary Hub.
    • Noted.